A right-handed batter and thrower, Wagner had a bulky physique for his erahe stood about 6 feet (1.83 metres) tall and weighed 200 pounds (91 kg)and had unusually long arms. Vaughn played in the high run 1930s, so he matches up well. Saturdays: 10am-2pm, Website: Facebook.com/HistoricalSocietyofCarnegie. Wagner and the Pirates declined together. There was also a story that was widely circulated over the years and famously recounted in Lawrence Ritter's The Glory of Their Times, that at one point Cobb was on first; he bragged to Wagner that he was going to steal second and threatened to assault him physically doing it; Wagner defiantly dared him to try it and placed an especially rough tag to Cobb's mouth; and the two exchanged choice words. Honus Wagner (MLB Shortshop) - On This Day Remembering Honus Wagner. [47], In August 2021, another example sold for $6.6 million exceeding the previous high for most valuable sports card at the time. This nickname was a nod to the popular folk-tale made into a famous opera by the German composer Richard Wagner. [44], On October 1, 2016, a T206 Wagner card graded PSA-5 sold for $3.12 million, setting yet again the record for the highest price paid for any baseball card. Thanks for using Find a Grave, if you have any feedback we would love to hear from you. I'm sitting on the bench and my eyes are popping out. This is a carousel with slides. The shortstop remained with the Pirates until he retired from active play in 1917 at the age of 43. He never was a hold-out. Thanks for your help! Michael Haupert research of HOF contracts. The portion of the museum dedicated to Honus Wagner is located in a single room off to the side of the main space. Part of the Baseball Almanac Family. Lets see, you have a Shortstop that plays the position like Ozzie Smith and hits like Barry Bonds. This museum chronicles life in the community, and even if you have no connection to the area, its interesting to learn about what life was like in this part of Allegheny County (including why the community was named after industrial tycoon Andrew Carnegie). James rates him a D+ on defense. Even better, while visiting, take the short drive up the hill to see the home the Honus Wagner lived in for many decades at 605 Beechwood Avenue. "I was too bum last year", he wrote. You need a Find a Grave account to continue. Top 10 All-Time Greatest Mexico vs Puerto Rico Fights, Gervonta Davis vs. Ryan Garcia: Leaders of the New School, Not a super fight, but Gervonta Davis vs. Ryan Garcia is compelling, Mike Tyson: Monster or Myth? $1000/month annualized, Honus Wagner, p. 272:10000, 2/24/17 SL: $8,000. Mathewson, Christy. His appearances at National League stadiums during his coaching years were always well received and Wagner remained a beloved ambassador of baseball. His numbers: This is not an article on Derek Jeter, but those are good numbers, but not better than the ten were comparing him to, except Ozzie Smith and Ozzies defense was much better. In 1908, Honus Wagner, one of the greatest players of all time, had one of his best years. Bill James cites Wagner's 1908 season as the greatest single season for any player in baseball history. Pulliam, though, persuaded Dreyfuss and Clarke to take a chance on him. Wagner had a terrible series, going just 1-14 in the best of 9 series. Hours: Tues, Thurs, Fri: 10am-4pm (Subsequent research has since revised this total to 3,418.) 1986 Boston Celtics - Were they the greatest Team? "Honus was only a solid-to-good, not great, fielder at shortstop," Humphreys wrote. Secret Owner Of The Original, $750K Honus Wagner Baseball Card - Forbes ESPN in the late 1990s ran a series listing the 100 greatest baseball players of the 20thcentury. He certainly did not look to be a good athlete. On four occasions Honus Wagner "stole for the cycle" meaning he stole second, third, then home all during the same inning a baserunning feat only matched by one other man in baseball history, Ty Cobb. Are you sure that you want to delete this flower? cemeteries found within kilometers of your location will be saved to your photo volunteer list. In his work Inside T206: A Collector Guide to the Classic Baseball Card Set, Scot A. Was Mike Tyson really that great. This article was most recently revised and updated by, https://www.britannica.com/biography/Honus-Wagner, Society for American Baseball Research - Honus Wagner, National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum - Biography of Honus Wagner, Pennsylvania Center for the Book - Honus Wagner, Honus Wagner - Student Encyclopedia (Ages 11 and up). Honus Wagner - Bio, Personal Life, Family & Cause Of Death - CelebsAges . With the Colonels he would play first, second, third and hit .299 (it would be the last time he would hit under .300 for 16 years in the big leagues). }, Cronkite School at ASU Failed to delete flower. Omissions? The mild-mannered Wagner had beat the feisty, upstart Cobb down. Top 10 Pound for Pound Boxers 4/25/23: Where does Gervonta Davis Rank? Failed to delete memorial. By this time the Series had been whittled down to a best of 7 series. This accomplishment, however, came during a down period for Wagner and Pirates. His play at Patterson attracted the attention of the Louisville club, then a member of the National League and operated by Mr. Dreyfuss, Louisville purchased Mr. Wagner's release for $2,200 and he began his major league career with the Colonels in 1897, winning a regular position at the start. [6], In 1916, Wagner married Bessie Baine Smith, and the couple had three daughters: Elva Katrina (b. I thought you might like to see a memorial for Honus Wagner I found on Findagrave.com. [27], Christy Mathewson asserted that Wagner was the only player he faced who did not have a weakness. Wagner was born one of 9 children in the heart of American coal country in western Pennsylvania on February 24, 1874. Fellows like Marion, Bancroft, Peck and Billy Jurges were all great fielders. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). According to an October 12, 1912, issue of The Sporting News, Wagner did not give his consent to appear on the baseball card. He yelled to Wagner he was going to steal second on the next pitch. Wagner would outplay Cobb, going .333 on the series to Cobbs .231. Hall of Fame Major League Baseball Player. I don't make speeches. The stadium serves as the home field for Carlynton High School varsity sports. Did you know that in 1919, The Flying Dutchman appeared in a movie titled "Spring Fever" with two members of the Three Stooges, Moe and Shemp Howard? Throughout his career one of the outstanding features about Mr. Wagner was his vitality. In all my career, I never saw such a versatile player." Wagner waited for the ball, swung his arm down and smacked Cobb across the face, taking out teeth some say. But still the lore continues on. The move to the Pittsburgh Pirates signified Wagner's emergence as a premier hitter. He led in almost every significant category through those years. The numbers shown below are the figures officially recognized on MLB.com. The museum spaces operate on the first floor of the building and offer great insight into the life and career of Pirates legend Honus Wagner and the entire community of Carnegie. He would coach again for the Pirates in 1933 until his retirement in 1951. His batting feats were all the more remarkable since he had to contend with such obstacles as trick pitches, long outfields and a "dead" ball. Notwithstanding his stolid appearance, he is a sensitive player, and this has hurt him more than anything else in his life ever has. However, there are items here that were owned by Wagner, as well as many pieces that relate to his illustrious baseball career. He still is regarded as the yardstick of excellence for shortstops. In various emergencies, he filled in at other spots, in fact, playing every position except catcher. They participated in the first modern World Series in 1903 (they lost), came back to play Ty Cobbs Detroit Tigers in 1909 (they won). Now lets look to see where Wagner should rate among all ballplayers. The figures on Baseball-Reference.com are as follows. In fact, there are many who will argue that the "Flying Dutchman" should be placed at the top of the list. Pittsburgh lost in the best-of-nine series, five games to three, to a team led by pitchers Cy Young and Bill Dinneen and third basemanmanager Jimmy Collins. [3][4], Wagner was one of nine children. He avoided disputes with the umpires and had no salary wrangles with his employers. to the tune of "Tessie", a popular song of the day. If you notice a problem with the translation, please send a message to [emailprotected] and include a link to the page and details about the problem. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. While you shouldnt come expecting a collection of game-used items from Wagner, the chance to see a few of his personal belongings, learn more about his life, and to uncover the history of an Allegheny County community make this a neat spot to check out if youre in the area. The backs of the cards featured the monochromatic colors of the 16 tobacco brands for which the cards were printed. A very rare, recent photo sold on eBay further refutes the myth that Honus Wagner opposed tobacco. Its worth noting right up front that you shouldnt come here expecting to see items that Wagner used during his playing career (unlike the Roberto Clemente Museum in Pittsburgh). In desperation, owner Barney Dreyfuss offered him $10,000 per year, making him the highest-paid Pirate for many years. Honus Wagner AKA John Peter Wagner Born: 24-Feb - 1874 Birthplace: Carnegie, PA Died: 6-Dec - 1955 Location of death: Carnegie, PA Cause of death: unspecified Remains: Buried, Jefferson Memorial Cemetery, Pleasant Hills, PA Gender: Male Race or Ethnicity: White Sexual orientation: Straight Occupation: Baseball Nationality: United States James gives Wagner an A+ as a defensive player while Applings rated a B, Vaughan a B+, Yount a B-, Rodriquez a C+ and Ripken a B+. To add a flower, click the Leave a Flower button. 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The baseball player Honus Wagner died at the age of 81. The Cobb-Wagner rivalry has become something of folklore and the more time passes it becomes forgotten folklore. He only led in one category and that was his 6 errors on the series. Following the 1899 season, the NL contracted from twelve to eight teams, with the Colonels one of four teams eliminated. Strikeouts are not shown comprehensively for Wagner's MLB.com totals, because the stat was not regularly captured until 1910. The following story is probably false. And it also turned out that while Honus was the best third baseman in the league, he was also the best first baseman, the best second baseman, the best shortstop, and the best outfielder. The card, which was in poor condition, sold in November 2010 to a collector for $262,000, well over the $150,000 that was expected at auction. [38][39] Wagner had been at the top of his game throughout the decade and was even considered the game's greatest player at the time. document.write(update); Honus Wagner, a Family History Researcher and Baseball The man on the legendary and most valuable baseball card, Honus Wagner, comes to life as RecordClick's professional genealogist Joan Shurtliff hits it out of the park with a look at his family and his ancestry. Remembering Honus Wagner | The Hardball Times Honus Wagner's 1939 Hall of Fame wristwatch up for bid at Heritage Due to a below average arm, his range at Shortstop was very limited. You're awesome for doing it! [43], On April 6, 2013, a 190911 T206 baseball card featuring Honus Wagner sold at auction for $2.1 million. Wagner himself was not at full strength and hit only .222 for the series. 17 Reasons why Jordan is greater than Lebron, 16 Reasons why Lebron is greater than Jordan, The 18 greates Coaches in College Football History, The Top 21 Offensive Linemen in NFL History, 19 undeniable Lies in Disney's Remember the Titans. The 1920-1929 Yankees had Hall of Famers; Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Tony Lazzeri, Earl Combs, pitchers Waite Hoyt and Herb Pennock. He received the second-highest vote total, behind Ty Cobb's 222 and tied with Babe Ruth at 215. . But the Cobb-Wagner rivalry was one of the best all-time. The New Bill James Historical Baseball Almanac, by Bill James, The Free Press, 2001. [5], Wagner's older brother, Albert "Butts" Wagner, who had a brief major league career himself, is often credited with getting Honus his first tryout. During this time, he wore uniform number 14 but later changed it to his more famous 33, which was later the number retired for him. 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