st etienne mle m16 rifle value

Nice!!!! 1500 Paxton St., Harrisburg, PA, 17104, US. Otherwise the Berthier weapons, and particularly their bolts, are not derived from Mannlicher rifles or carbines but rather from the Lebel rifle system. Please refer to third party website for how to register and bid online. Unpaid items still remaining at our auction center 30 calendar days after the auction date will be considered abandoned and will be consigned to a future auction without additional notice to the purchaser. This rifle has St Etienne Mle M.16 on the left side meaning it was Manufacture dArmes de Saint Etienne (MAS) manufactured, comes intact with original (numbered to the rifle) one piece full length wooden stock & top hand guard with a stacking lug near the muzzle & is complete with the original brown leather sling plus correct bayonet. - All items are sold as is without warranty or guarantee. Questions regarding shipping, handling and insurance costs or tracking of your package, please contact our shipping department at: Range Reports - Show us how good you are! - Applicable sales tax will be added to the sales total unless a tax-exempt number is on file in our office by the day of the auction. By 1838, during the July Monarchy, annual production was well over 30,000 firearms. United States Rifle M1917 Enfield 300 yards (Rifle Channel Video), United States Rifle M1917 Enfield 400 yards (Rifle Channel Video), United States Rifle M1917 Enfield ETR Knockdown (Rifle Channel Video), Working The Rossi Gallery Rifle, from American Gunsmith's Book of the Rifle. During the First World War it became obvious that the 3-round clip was a handicap compared to German short weapons such as the German Kar98AZ which had a 5-round clip. If you have questions please call 215.393.3000. Berthier rifles & carbines continued in service during the Second World War in all branches of French service, including infantry & mounted units. Berthiers in nicer condition can often fetch higher prices, especially now that we are in the centenary of the First World War. The bidder is responsible for all shipping costs related to Alderfer requirements as stated above to the Importer/Exporter, and all costs in accordance with the Importer/Exporter in shipping the firearm(s) to said bidder. service@guns.com The Modele 1890 Berthier Cavalry Carbine addressed this issue by combining a modified Lebel action with an en-bloc clip magazine. When the French army started to desperately need rifles and learned how time consuming the Lebel was to produce they reached for the Berthier. However, this design was soon rejected for insufficient accuracy, as well as being too slow and cumbersome to reload with single cartridges while on horseback. After the adoption of the new Lebel Model 1886 rifle, French military authorities attempted to develop a carbine version of the rifle for mounted troops. The demand of new M1907 15 rifle's has not changed over the past 12 months. The Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-tienne, often abbreviated to MAS ("Saint-tienne Weapons Factory" in English) was a French state-owned weapons manufacturer in the town of Saint-tienne, Loire. Good luck. Phone bids must be in writing. To avoid this possibility, the absentee bidder may authorize Alderfer Auction to increase their bid by one increment by placing a (+) sign beside the bid price. . preferably something that could be purchased localy. It was still in service with some French law enforcement units as late as the 1960s. Alderfer Auction These rifles hold special significance to African-American historians. the Compagnies Republicaines de Securite (CRS) as late as the 1980s. Alderfer Online Only Bidding JavaScript is disabled. The Berthier carbines (and later the rifles) used a lighter, streamlined receiver and a one-piece stock that departed from the Lebel Mle 1886/M93 rifle system. The sights are a bit odd. 8x50Rmm French. Getting Started NO REFUNDS will be given on purchased items that are not picked up during the designated pick-up time. All lots must be removed from the premises of Alderfer Auction no later than 14 days after an auction. modle 1959 type F.M, Fusil Automatique de 7,62 mm MAS A.P. 10. 223 Remington, FA MAS, Fusil semi automatique cal. D. Specific State Restrictions French Mannlicher-Berthier Mle 1907-15/M16 Infantry Rifle. Buyer is responsible for all online bidding. This seems to be a St. Etienne produced carbine. Schedule a pick-up time via www.Appointy.com or call 215.393.3000. www.Appointy.com instructions will be included in your invoice. B14909. Lighter and easier to handle and load than the Mle 1886/M93 Lebel rifle, the Berthier rifles proved more suitable for offhand shooting and easier to maintain in tropical environments. You are using an out of date browser which is likely incompatible with our website. St. Etienne, France, 1881. A relatively unknown brand, with a whole new platform, at an incredibly enticing price point thats GForce Arms with the LVR410. In response to changing combat situations at the front, which had evolved from a war of maneuever into static trench warfare and frequent night raids, many Berthier rifles were also fitted with sights designed specifically for close range or night combat, using radium paint to improve visibility in poor light or darkness. New York: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds to anyone in New York or anyone using a billing address in the state of New York. THE BOLT HEAD DOES MATCH THE RECEIVER. THE STACKING ROD IS SLIGHTLY BENT. In 1949, The Turkish Forest Service began issuing three-shot Berthier carbines, full-length rifles were altered to utilize a Mannlicher-style stock. Simulcast Bidding Some were even used by police units fighting partisans in various eastern European countries including security units operating at the rear of German front lines in Soviet Union. It was issued to essentially all French artillery and cavalry troops. To correct these issues, the Model 1916 Berthier rifle was introduced with a five-round en-bloc clip. Any firearms sold containing prohibited magazines as mentioned above will be shipped less the banned magazine, no refunds will be offered. If we say 'Chippendale Style Mahogany Chest of Drawers,' we represent that the piece looks like the period mentioned, but it was crafted at a later date. The receiver is marked St. Etinne MLE1892, indicating manufacture at the Government Arsenal at Saint-tienne. Mounted security forces, cavalry units, and artillery units in colonial services were forced to use single shot Mle1874 carbines, most not even converted to fire the modern 8mmLebel ammunition, against insurrectionist forces who were sometimes better armed than government forces. Anyone know how to remove the bolt ( I want to clean it & good a good look at the chamber & bore) Save Share. Name of Artist- Indicates that the work, in our best judgment, is by the named artist. M.16 is a bit of an odd duck. French M1874 Gras Rifle Bayonet 1879 St. Etienne VERY CLEAN $65.00 0 bids $16.55 shipping 3d 16h or Best Offer French M1874 Bayonet $90.00 $7.95 shipping Original 1881 French M1874 Gras Bayonet 20" 11mm Rifle w/matching # Scabbard $75.99 0 bids $26.45 shipping 3d 9h Vintage 1878 French M1874 Gras Bayonet w/ Scabbard- Very Good Condition $100.00 We ONLY ship to the continental U.S. 215.393.3000 office The Indochinois rifle variant received quite a bit of praise for its handling characteristics despite only having three shots. The occasional use, outside France, of the term "Mannlicher" to designate weapons of the Berthier system is due to the "en bloc" clip disposition which was borrowed from the real Mannlicher rifles and carbines. Sounds like flintlocks - it would take me a while to get used to shooting anything with a delay like that does anybody know of a decent subsitiute for the 8mm lebel munition? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser settings before proceeding. Colonial & Foreign Legion forces in particular continued to use the Mdle 1916 Berthier due to a shortage of the new MAS-36 bolt-action rifle. It has a St. Etienne prefix, doesn't seem to be remarked, doesn't seem to be an upgraded old model. The auctioneers decision will be binding and final. They were cheaper, lighter, and well liked by users. We are aware of these Sates and their Laws and it is the duty of each potential bidder to make sure they are allowed to own this legally in their respective States. GunBroker.com Forums. St. Etienne - Berthier M16 Rifle in 8x50 Lebel PhoenixPhart 42.5K subscribers 326 13K views 2 years ago #M16 #Berthier Shooting my new (old) #Berthier #M16 rifle made in 1917. Descriptions are believed to be accurate but not guaranteed. Hawaii: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds that may fit a handgun to anyone in Hawaii or anyone using a billing address in the state of Hawaii. These pick-up times are scheduled in order to help us move merchandise in a timely fashion. Berthier rifles and carbines do not have any form of applied (mechanical) safety. Please show your bidding number to the auctioneer after each purchase you make. A M1907 15 rifle currently has too little sold data to calculate an average price. The Auctioneer makes no warranty as to condition and shall not be responsible for any defects in any Lot. $500 until $9,999 is reached There is no visible import mark. Please bid accordingly if you are uncertain of the condition or use of an item. Like the Mle 1886/M93, the Berthier carbine was designed for the 8mm Lebel cartridge, but it was loaded by a three-round en-bloc Mannlicher-style clip. We believe the 2nd Amendment is best defended through grass-roots organization, education, and advocacy centered around individual gun owners. IT IS SERIAL #82233. $100 until $1,999 is reached Many customers have had positive experiences ordering from them, and their customer service has been praised for keeping buyers updated on order status. Alderfer Auction will attempt to furnish one, but shall not be liable for failing to do so. We do not offer in-house shipping for: framed canvas paintings, glassware, statues/figurines made of glass, porcelain, or other breakable materials. Pick-up Times available are: Alderfer Auction cannot place bids for the buyer as the buyer must properly register and bid through the third party platform. Alderfer Auction or any of its staff shall not be held responsible or liable for any human or technical bidding errors, or internet bidding system shutdowns that may occur. Berthier's design for the original carbine was adopted in 1890 as the Mle 1890, utilizing a 3-round en-bloc clip. This rifle was purchased for $189, either because the owner of the store didnt care about French rifles or felt the rifle was probably refinished. By Badger in forum Pattern 1913/1914 and M1917 Rifles, By Newsfeed Hound in forum The Watering Hole OT (Off Topic) Forum. Fees must be paid in advance by credit card before items are shipped. Alderfer Auction offers onsite shipping subject to limitations. Alderfer Auction Please view all of the photos carefully as they form the main description & override all others so feel free to ask for more as we have taken plenty. Phone Number should have following format: Phone Number should be less than 20 symbols, Security code was sent via text message to. i love this forum, except for the addiction part. Please contact Proxibid to learn about retracting a bid. By the time of World War I, the standard issue French service rifle was the Mle. Gardening is a great way to spend time outdoors and get in touch with nature. If you choose to pick-up your lots at the Auction Center, our regular hours are Monday - Friday 8:00AM - 5:00PM. General Modifying the design of the Senegalese variant to take a Lebel bayonet, it was dubbed the Mle. Very good. Simulcast Auctions are conducted in front of a live audience. In 2001, weapons production ceased as MAS was absorbed into the Nexter Group. Designed by Colonel Basile Gras, the Gras was a metallic cartridge adaptation of the single-shot, breech-loading, black powder Chassepot rifle. SN 58692. See pictures. While the auctioneer is receiving bids from an assembled audience, phone and absentee bidders, the auctioneer is also taking bids from bidders who are bidding through the third-party providers in real time or by advance bidding. sounds like fun. The small 3-shot magazine capacity was adopted after field testing, where the cavalry expressed a preference for a non-protruding magazine that did not interfere with the balance or handling of the rifle. The top of the receiver and the top of the barrel shank are both marked "N". All winning bidders will receive pick up notification with their invoice. 13. Description SERIAL NUMBER: 10355 DESIGN: Bolt action rifle. This improved 5-shot design was then fitted to existing rifle & carbine-length Berthier models (Mle 1907/15, Mle 1890 M16, 1892 M16 and Mle 1916 mousquetons ). However, this was merely an interim measure, as the French Army adopted the MAS-36 as its new standard bolt-action rifle. but it would seem like such a shame to use it. Know the exact vehicle you want? I've always liked the old Frenchie rifles im pretty sure this saw combat and was likely "dropped". Mousqueton 16, finally adding a five-round magazine. Circle of- In our best judgment, a work of the period of the artist and closely related to the artist's style. For instance, the Berthier carbine's bolt lugs lock vertically into the receiver instead of horizontally as in the Lebel rifle. Each threatened and endangered species will be assessed on a case-by-case basis as mandated by State and Federal laws. Keep an eye on that screw. Generally, bidding increments are made as follows although Auctioneer has the discretion and authority to change. In line with the usual Mannlicher magazine design, designers included a large opening at the bottom of the magazine well, in part to verify if the carbine was loaded with a charger of cartridges. M.16 Berthier is a promisingly handy little rifle right up until you fire it and discover just how hard it recoils. The Greek Army still fielded Berthier Mle 07/15M16 rifles during the Greco-Italian War, most being used in second-line units. While every effort is made to determine provenance, authenticity and condition, it is the responsibility of the Bidder to arrive at their own conclusion prior to bidding. Bidding Qualifications 7. Most notably, the Lebel proved very slow in reloading compared to newer rifle designs. Prices can vary wildly. Yet even today, she could make an excellent little brush gun or truck gun. Berthier carbines were first issued in 1890 and 1892, and had been designed by Emile Berthier, an engineer at the French Algerian Railways, to be used with standard 8mm Lebel ammunition. Please allow 2 weeks for shipping from receipt of payment. School of- In our best judgment, a work by a pupil or follower of the artist. Firing from the standing position at 100 yards, the Mle. Some were used by police units fighting partisans in various eastern European countries including security units operating at the rear of German front lines in Soviet Union. Early single shot bolt action rifle, an improved version of the Chassepot Needle Rifles, used by the French Military. Alderfer Auction is not responsible for typos in print and electronic media. France felt that it was only a matter of time until their armies had re-taken the lost provinces of Alsace and Lorraine. The Mle 1892 is a mechanically tight, accurate and very well finished revolver. If we say 'c.' After the success of the Berthier carbines or mousquetons, two full-length Berthier rifles were introduced during the years preceding World War I. The terms and conditions mentioned herein apply to these auctions along with the requirements below regarding merchandise pick-up. The first Berthier carbine came into production as the "Carabine de Cavalerie Modle 1890", which was officially adopted for service on March 14, 1890. Estimated Value *Using 80% condition for calculating used Values. Pennsylvania State Law prohibits any owner from bidding on their own merchandise to enhance the value. Though the Lebel's original capacity of 8 rounds was reduced, the Berthier was more popular due to the efficiency of operation and the increased speed of reloading, which more closely matched the capabilities of foreign rifles such as the Mauser and the Lee-Enfield. SLL: Signed Lower Left Despite this, the French wound up cobbling together the majority of their Berthier rifles during rebuilds due to an excess in parts. Illinois: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 12 rounds to anyone in Chicago, IL or anyone using a billing address in Chicago, IL. It is not import marked and all of the finish remaining on this rifle is factory original. Colonials in this story is not a reference to native soldiers from foreign lands. One report may be all you need. Many Model 1916 rifles and carbines were produced too late to see service in World War I, but were used after the war, particularly in colonial service. 5. Named after its inventor, Andr Virgile Paul Marie Berthier, a French civilian engineer in the Algerian railways, the Berthier's three-shot vertical-feed Mannlicher-type en bloc magazine could be loaded by clips, greatly increasing reloading speed, a particular convenience for cavalry and other mounted troops. Named after its inventor, Emile Berthier, a French civilian engineer in the Algerian railways the Mle 1892 / M16 was an updated version of the Model 1907. During the Greek Civil War, partisans were still using Berthier rifles. These elite reconnaissance and infiltration troops were equipped with a variety of small arms, including a combat knife, a handgun, grenades, and Berthier Mle 1892/M16 carbines. UPS shipping and insurance fees will then be applied to each item. The rifle is an antique but, we only sell through FFL dealers. Alderfer Auction is not responsible for color variations in print and electronic media. A Carbine version of the. - Everyone leaving an absentee/phone bid must be willing to leave their credit card number to assure payment of a successful bid(s) is received by the end of the next day following an auction. In order to serve you more efficiently during the hours of pick-up, and to better assist all customers, we are implementing a timed pick-up schedule. 50% blued finish with areas of pitting on barrel and receiver, fair bore, bayonet & scabbard, wood stock shows heavy denting and use. {{model.phoneNumber|formattedPhoneNumber}}, pTxq94Zey7Y3EDQ408vDUB62sZcoqTAjGR58R1L3xPs=.html. Measurements are given height before width. The new rifle had a re-designed magazine well, which now could hold "en-bloc" clips with a 5-round capacity, though they would still accept the original 3-round chargers. Terms & Conditions of Sale The stock shows its age with all of the repairs. SUC: Signed Upper Center. Firearm Laws During World War I, it was quickly recognized that the Berthiers three-shot magazine was simply too small in comparison to foreign weapons, requiring too-frequent reloading. 1 used starting at $350. These rifles, known to collectors as "Turkish Forestry Carbines", were used to protect the Caucasian walnut forests from illegal logging. In 1901 French colonial authorities in Indochina requested a rifle to replace the Fusil Gras Mle1874 and other black powder fired rifles then in inventory. Curio & Relic FFL licenses will be accepted on auction lots indicated in the description '(C&R). Est: $600 USD - $700 USD Sold: Log in to view. This is all-original but not all-matching World War 1 French Model 1907/15 Berthier rifle in 8mm Lebel. Like their shorter carbine counterparts, these Berthier rifles also featured a Mannlicher-type 3-round en bloc clip-loaded magazine and used 8 mm Lebel ammunition. http://www.cratersandfreightersphilly.com/ Additionally, it was found that trench mud and grit could enter the weapon through the opening in the bottom of the magazine.

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